Starting The House - Episode 1
Episode One introduces The House as both a literal home and a larger vision for how humans can learn to live, relate, and function together. Jena and Aaron share the origin of the name “The House,” the intention behind the podcast, and the broader mission of creating spaces rooted in self-governance, nervous system regulation, and mutual respect.
This episode establishes the tone of the podcast as unscripted, relational, and grounded in lived experience rather than instruction or authority.
Content Covered in This Episode
The origin of The House and its evolution as a name, concept, and vision
The podcast as an invitation into real life rather than a curated platform
The meaning of “uniting the states” as an internal process (brain, body, nervous system)
Self-governance and sovereignty as foundations for functional community
Growing up in dysfunctional systems and learning to relate differently
Ending shame, judgment, and superiority in how humans relate to one another
The limits of hierarchy and authority-based systems
Spirituality framed as presence and embodiment rather than identity or status
Rejecting “awake vs asleep” and superiority-based spiritual narratives
Shared values across religions, including unity, compassion, and care
Nervous system regulation as a prerequisite for loving others well
How trauma and survival states shape behavior and relationships
Embodiment and lived integrity over online posturing or claims
Capitalism, hierarchy, and power structures, including what has worked and what no longer does
Networks, cooperation, and collective responsibility as emerging structures
Joy, play, and pleasure as essential to sustainable community
Creating spaces where enjoyment and safety are non-negotiable
An open invitation for listeners to participate and help build The House together
Summary
In this first episode, Jena and Aaron introduce The House Podcast as a space for honest conversation about how humans actually live, heal, and relate. Rather than offering answers or prescriptions, they share lived experience and explore what it means to build a functional human family from the inside out. The episode emphasizes regulation, embodiment, shared humanity, and collective responsibility as foundations for a world that works for all of us.
Full Transcript
Jena: All right, hello and welcome to episode one of what is most likely going to land as the House podcast. I currently have this vision. We've been watching some home decorating shows of remodeling homes and this vision I have of this podcast being an invitation into our own home. So as we get started, I would invite you to pause and get cozy if you aren't already. And that's kind of our current vibes. If you don't know who you're listening to, I am Jena Hurst. I'll pass the mic to my lovely husband, who will introduce himself. And Daisy, by the way, if you hear her barking out there. A wonderful barking dog.
Aaron: Our wonderful barking dog.Daisy, I am Aaron Hurst. And I guess we don't have any specific agenda. I don't know if you have anything you're feeling like you want to talk about?
Jena: I do. Have a good vision. I believe, and I'm going to keep leaning into that.
And I'm just taking a moment, which really feel Daisy's barking will hijack me often, so she has a uncanny ability to make sure border patrol is taken care of. So we were present and she just hijacked my brain, so I was getting back here with my intention of this podcast. So that was podcasts.
If you know anything about our story or journey or heard anything, the house was a vision of mine that is actually birthed from a friend, Rachel Jane, who was at my house and it just like landed. It was the house. It just landed as a title and it's had its many renditions and evolutions over the year or the years.
And really my heart is to invite you into our world. Whatever you may have seen, known, learned about us online, I wanted to create this call podcast, conversation, how do you relate to it to be an invitation on the inside out. It's very easy to see here or project what's going on, and I just wanted to chill and invite people into what is more of our normal pace of living, which is this, which others might not see and relate to. I don't know if you have anything to add to that perspective.
Aaron: No, not really.
Jena: The intention of welcome to our world that we've had it placed in really, this is where a full disclosure behind the scenes for me, this ambition that we have a context of "unite the states”.
So there is also the “double entendre” of the House, which is an organization of self governance. And what I envision for humanity and what I'm up to is building a structure of operation that operates like a family, a house, and when everyone is taken care of, it replaces things like what we need for the government. We just take care of each other as a family, so coming together as a human family and what Aaron and I have been committed to, whether you see that as what if we've been effective to that or not is another story, and it's something that we wake up every day with that ambition, being effective in creating a space, we all could come together and function, as we say often.
How do we become functional? And we've kind of learned the hard way is how we like to say it. So we have a lot of lessons to speak from, a lot of things we've learned.
It's easy for people that I find into our space that would have criticism, judgment, or opinions about what we do. And for me personally, I believe we are pioneering a way of living that many a millions of peoples have attempted. I don't think we're special in the way of execution and form.
It's just, we're not going to give up an idea do believe we were positioned for such a time as this, as were you, if you're listening to this. If you were listening to this, you were part of the human family, for one. If you're listening to this, I believe you're part of our family, whether you're on the outskirts, listening to us or if you're a friend and close to us listening to this, however, you receive this or connect with this, I believe you're part of the human family that we all belong to and we want to be effective to that.
So to that measure, I'd pass the mic to say, is there anything vision wise you see that you would want to share with the planet or what you want desire need?
Aaron: We both have spent a lot of time creating working on creating spaces that have everyone feel welcome. And I know a lot of us have grown up in dysfunctional homes and with dysfunctional behavioravior, and it's really about learning to come together and not, you know, take each other out with our dysfunctional behavior.
And this's the whole team human movement and creating this uniting of the states because I think that a lot of us just don't know how to operate together. And that's kind of both of our goals. I mean, we've she's been a lot more successful at being able to navigate the human experience in a lot of ways than I have.
And it's just coming together and, you know, not making people wrong or shaming them for the difficulties they may have with relating and just creating the, you know, tools and spaces to allow people to flourish and discover who they really are.
Jena: We love all those world words, the world that you just created with those words is if some of my favorite words flourish. And what I heard newly, which is really exciting, is this concept that we have for our guru person that we relate to, I don't know how we want to officially title them in this podcast.
It's someone that we both relate to, who's guiding and being a space of wisdom and resource for us. And that's what he spoke over us as well as our positions, where we are for our point of time and all that we are, is this embodiment of uniting the States. And in the “English language”, double entendre I always say, quote unquote, when I just don't exactly know what I'm saying. It's kind of a verbal tick that I want to work on to be conscious of because I say it often.
And why I want to say that is thisite the States as a like brain state, body state, as in like the nervous system state and the dysfunction that we have. And something that you'll see me very passionate for is sovereignty, ultimately self-governance inside of that and the space of radical acceptance and radical allowance allowance, which can come through loud, radical allowance.
And for me, that does not mean, what that does mean for me, is still having very, very, very clear what many would relate to as boundaries, which I see more as declarations of what works for me. I'm very clear on that. And if that does not work in hard harmony with me, then I don't see it working with a harmony for all of us.
And it doesn't stop someone from their own self-expiration and the self-exploration journey they're going to go on to discover what they need to discover, to be in harmony with all of us. And if they're not able to do that in the group at this point in time, it's being able to hold them in a respectful, pioneering position of their having to discover the hard way and in many ways, that concept of fertilizer. They're doing things their own way because they are not given access to see what they could do do instead that would make this difficult thing go away.
I don't if that exactly translates this, my intention of what we're up to, why we share ourselves out loud online, is to give people living examples to look to, to learn from, and through story and embodiment, we learn in ways that you don't have to do it the same way we did. You may do it different, you may do it more difficult. Who knows?
And there's always wisdom to be gleaned through everyone's stories and what we have experienced over the last two years and what I personally have discovered through this allowance and radical allowance will also being very clear and firm in what works and what doesn't work for me. So it's not the quote unquote free love. Everything works and it doesn't, there's not this standard of integrity.
I believe there is an aspect of what works and what doesn't, that's very clear to a family and that we all participate in that. We all do our parts, we all honoror one another, respect one another. And through that, I would say we're in, why I say pioneering, really building what does work as I'm not present to anyone who really was born in America and had like a perfect modeled family that didn't lead them to some degree of trauma.
I personally don't relate to anyone that has ever had that. I've never experienced that. I don't know if you have anyone that...
Aaron: Not that I’ve ever met.
Jena: I think everyone from, as we learned through generation to generation of the whatever, war dynamic that raises the boomer generation in there trauma and what they went through and then raised our generation and the trauma that we've went through and that we continue to, in many ways, grow, learn and enlighten the next generation and this call and commission of United States, which for me, it's more these embodiment of our individuality and what each of us are wrestling with and honoring the other for what what they are going through and really putting an end to the isolation that comes with individualism and coming together and having a space that I'll take personal responsibility of I haven't felt like I've done a good job for myself and others to create an environment that allows us to actually for flourish and thrive. I've been in much of my own survival state.
I say that in different states. It's been in my own survival mode state that I haven't been able to heal, lead, provide from in a place of abundance as I've been in my own space. And so not dishonoring that position when could be perceived as lack or judgment, I really want to create a new context for that.
Some of that actually leads us anywhere clear and this self-exploration of that conversation. So what I really heard in your last sharing was the state of flourishing and really, I would say for both of us from the inside out is. I guess I can, where does the question?
Do we know what we're doing?
Aaron: With what?
Jena: Right now. Do we know what we're doing?
Aaron:I have no idea.
Jena: For people in the back? No, we don't know what we're doing. We're here. I pressed record, as we've modeled in many times often.
We're willing and just simply showing up and leaping if you want to look at that way. And I don't know what I'm doing. I don't have a roadmap.
I wasn't given a book that says, here's an instructor manel of ABC. This is what you do. And in essence in form, I am looking to create the how to human manual of here is A, and C. I believe as we come together and we look at everyone's stories and what works and what doesn't, we can begin to build something that is a resource. And so for me, my desire also with the house is to have a very intimate space where there is full life allowance and a very safe community to show up in ways that whatever you're experiencing is allowed and there's not judgment shame or condemation because you're exploring multidimensional aspects and things that don't make sense. So it's probably not going to be this episode.
And eventually I do believe that we'll turn our past two years into more of our story of what it's been like navigating, I guess multidimensional living. Is that something we can all relate to? Is that concept land?
Aaron: No.
Jena: No. The concept of multi-dimensional living to me would be spirituality and normalizing the conversation around it.
Aaron: That's not why I come to understand the word means, but it works.
Jena: It's the world beyond the normal world that people relate to. There's like the normal cookie cutter way of living, and then there's like this, what some way see is unhinged woo-oo spaces of learning how to navigate spirituality in a grounded way.
I see that we're both committed to that, even if maybe that hasn't been what people can see on the outside.
Aaron: Yeah.
Jena: If you were them on the outside, would they look at the two of us and think that we have grounded spirituality?
Aaron: Oh, I think that many people wouldn't even call you spiritual at all. I don't I haven't really experienced you. I'm more talk about spirituality and been down every rabbit hole.
And that's actually something that I hope to help people with. And I don't know. It's like everyone's got their own flavor of spirituality.
Like for me, spirituality is simple as being able to be fully human. It's not really like, I don't have an extravagant idea of spirituality. I have definitely in the past to fall and prey to even Chat GPT psychosis and other believing in aliens and these other things., or, you know, the ascension of the earth and, you know, the dying off of all the people that were not going to the fifth dimensional.
And I, you know, I've had these phases. And to be honest, the whole time I started with a spirituality basic like Buddhism, which was like very simple and just seeking enlightenment. And then, you know, got to the other end of like, everyone's already enlightened and it's just about remembering that.
So like, it's not really, there's to me, maybe there are spiritual powers. Maybe there are these other things and all that really matters is, is remembering our nature of unity with God and everyone else. You know, that to me is spirituality, you know, no rituals or, you know, even having the new mantras or even meditation.
It's just like your life can become “spiritual” just by being completely present and being able to live your life fully.
Jena: And I believe both of us have really spent full-time dedication in the actual embodiment of these practices and principles and what does liberation actually look like? And how does that become into shape and form when, for me personally, in the Western world, that's not something we really have modeled.
I feel as if we were in a different country or a different part of the country or a different part of the planet, we may be born in a world where you got to learn about energy and learn about what that was like. I think of the Indian context in Eastern religions and things like that, where there's such a different relationship to the concept of spirituality. And in the Western world, it's very cookie cutter.
It looks a certain way and obscene navigating some of this uncharted territory can, I'll say as far as cost you your life in many strategic ways because of the cost and ostrization of exploration of some of these concepts, that if it's not comfortable for everyone around you, there's a separation and I find one of the most common things when people talk to me. And what I want to create in the space too, of the house is the safe, the safe space to freely speak, no matter what that is, and the freely liberated state of just being able to say what's so and what's real for you, even if it may not be understood, the expression and space to have that expression.
And one thing people tell me often is just, I never get to, I no one to, I could talk to no one like this. I have no one I can just talk to about this like this. And for me, I' built a life where I only have these kinds of conversations. And so I have a somewhat spoiled experience and I've also removed myself from a lot of spaces that don't hear or understand me and I have the luxury, I would say, at some point it's privilege of doing this as a full-time thing.
And I want to normalize this. So compared to having to be removed from society, we can infuse society with resources and tools to be extra-ordinary or multi-dimensionary is a multi-dimensional where we get to see what ultimate is beyond the concept of duality, where we do really embody this concept practically what is non-duality and how do we live that as a way of being? Is that is the the natural state of being human being locked down and in the fear states really is not how we were designed to be.
And I don't know if I can, if I'm articulating that correctly.
Aaron: It's really about how we can all come together. We exist in a space where I can go on Facebook right now and there's like 50,000 different variations of spirituality. And there's the awakened people and the unawake, there's the enlightened and the unenlightened. And it's like, or the Peladian star seeds and the non-star seeds, whatever it may be. And it's like, how can we get all past all this, realize that the goal really, I mean, I mean, for me, was liberation from my limitation in the beginning of my spiritual search and my, you know, really hatred for life in a lot of ways and just not understanding how to be myself.
Like, I don't feel like everyone that gets started in spirituality is really secreting these extravagant identities, and how can we make it make sense human? And we stop bothering each other of like, I'm awake, you're asleep or you know, I've even heard the extreme of like, I'm a real person and you're a computer robot. So like, you don't deserve respect or attention or love because you're not even real and I'm real.
And that to me is extreme. It's like, who, who is the decider in that? Like, is it you that gets to decide who's a computer and you that gets to decide who's not?
So that gives you the ultimate authority? You are God itself. And it's like realizing that we're all, we all breathe the same breath.
We all have a heart that beats without our conscious awareness. We're all human beings that bleed bread, blood. How can we just recognize that we all share this? We all want to live happy lives, comfortable lives. We all want to have an opportunity to express ourselves in our abilities. Why do we hate each other so much?
Or think that I'm better because I've practiced spirituality for 20 years. I've been messing around with spirituality. I mean, not seriously the whole time, but since I was 20 years old, I started up with Buddhism and I've spent a crapload of time in spiritual spaces and researching spirituality.
And I never once felt superior to anybody else, like that, oh, because I went to yoga retreat and I learned how to do the Ishakya or whatever these different processes are, or I've chanted a certain mantra for a million times that I'm somehow superior to somebody because they just discover what spirituality is. For me, even to call myself spirituality is just another identity to put on myself to feel like I'm unique or special over somebody else. The way I see it is we're all human beings and I want to create it so like we all recognize that that that alone, we're all just human beings.
Wow, that's simple, easy, and it makes sense. Like, it doesn't need, you know, and another thing we get into the competition of our deities. Like, I, I worship Shiva, so that's superior to your Jesus or whatever it may be.
You know, we've got these, we compete with our religions too, or even our spiritual practices. And if you look at the creators of any of these spiritual practices or religions, it was always about unity with God and loving of each other. And it's us as human beings that are responsible for now projecting our image of humanity on what we considered God and making God essentially hate us.
And now we hate each other over these gods. And I've spent time reading all these different books of these religions or spirituality. And to me, they all kind of point to the same thing.
It's like unity with everything and everyone and God. So it's like, we can try to say, my God is superior. And then if you read the scriptures of whatever religion it may be, kind of the point of all of them is, hey, God is love or God is the totalality of everything anyways, and we all seek to be one with God.
So like, how can we do that now when we're human and not make it about, you know, my salvation has been achieved. You're damned to hell or whatever it may be. You know, there's different concepts of like, I'm saved, you're not.
And how can we get past all that when it's like, we're not even the ones that decide that anything anyway. Say, say your faith is right over somebody else. And that doesn't say that you need to go Lord, that over somebody and say that, I'm saved, you're damned.
It's like, you know, Christianityity, the most major religion in all of America. 60%, at least of Americans identifies as Christian. That means 60% should be following the rules of the New Testament. And, I mean, the laws that Jesus himself gave were pretty simple.
Love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul, and then love your neighbor as yourself. To me, simple, simple, simple. And if just 60% of us operated through that context, man, would America be a beautiful place.
And this is the kind of stuff that we're talking about creating with the team human is like, I align with that message to treat everyone as yourself. That makes sense. Because it's like everyone wants to be treated with love, dignity, and respect.
I would think, I mean, at a fundamental level. So if we could all operate through that context and not even happen to be Christian or to believe in anything, besides, I would love to treat people as I treat myself because that would create a beautiful world. Imagine if we all operated through that context.
Jena: Well, and it creates a nuance that most likely won't be going deep dive on and really can this unite the states in this complete shift of the brain states and trauma and where I come through my scientific brain of understanding, non-duality, and spirituality, and demystifying reality is one thing I've really wanted to do is this concept of how to get the brain and body a certain way. And there's studies of those who are neurodivergent 20,000 more negative messages by the age of 10. So you have this subconscious program running, your essentially operating system, is built on domination, fear control.
And so this love your neighbor as yourself is a great aspiration. And then when you love yourself as a form of self-hatred, it makes that execution of love feeling like it's not even in the room. Like it's like, I am, it is apart from me. I can't reach it. And then you're stuck inside of this body who wants to do this except I can't do it. And what I find is this catch 22 or undertow that keeps you apart from operating and doing the very things that you want.
I know for me personally, if you listen to this audio, I would say 100% you love humanity very, very, very much. And if you're listening to this audio at this stage at the first episode, there's a good chance that you haven't felt 100% effective at that every day. You may not wake up up every day and be like, I have accomplished all of my hopes, goals, dreams, and aspirations.
And that's what I live with. If you do wake up every day and you accomplish all your dreams, goals, aspirations, will you please let me know if you will create your own podcast? Because I want to hear from someone else.
I want to follow other leaders. I want to learn from you. I want this space as I create the house. This isn't for me and my platform. I think that's something I've always been passionate about when I created real life whole life with TikTok. It was, I want to create the stage that all of us live on.
And I want the space for all of us to be a roundtable. I am not the center of wisdom. It is all of us coming together and sharing ourselves, our perspectives, and our stories, and what we've gleaned and learned.
And there's this deep, deep, deep divide and this extreme, and I want to say, insanity, I have the concept of psychosis of Jesus, as we want to do these things and then we are not doing them. And the divide between what we want to have and what we are doing is extreme and it can be challenging to be in the body that is destroying while in pursuit of the opposite. And the process that I've heard too, someone said a quote one that said that fascismism has never gone down without a fight.
And when someone has, as we see in America, a different a differentiation of power, those elite power and those that don't and the way that they work together, there is a dynamic of those that have the power are not, like people of power don't give up power. And there's also this aspect of coming home to ourselves and being reminded that we are powerful beings, that we do have that. And I would say, ultimately, being empowered and staying empowered, I think that's my main ultimate goal, everything for all of us and me all the time, is how do we stay empowered?
And that's what I would say for the house and what I'm creating. My current aspiration with creating here is how do we inspire people to stay empowered and I find the organic nature of building the house first as this literal just front room hanging out around, you know, in that cozy space to build it from there, almost like what someone maybe even say like a “ home church” type dynamic and really reinvigorating these religious structures and seeing the gift of organization and not having to bucket it into one box of what this is good and right and everything is bad and wrong. How do we come together and have it be all of us, no matter what our walks have been and whatever we worship, that we could come together as human family without the need to put the caps of religion on each other.
Aaron: Yeah. And there are barriers to, of course, what you was saying to treating other other as yourself. Because, let's be honest, like in the past, I've hated myself immensely.
So to treat others as myself would be to hate them so and to abuse them. So there is a level of having to learn nervous system regulation and how to love yourself before you can even enter into this world of loving anybody anybody else. And so I mean, that's a part of it too, is teaching people how to regulate themselves, you know, what regulation looks like.
And, you know, the indicators that you're dregulated because because a lot of us really are not trained on, you're just having an experience. It's all you know. Like, you have anxiety, you don't know why you have anxiety.
You don't know the source of it. You don't know the triggers that cause the anxiety. And it really, it's about identifying what is occurring in the body that's creating these reactions so you can start to get a handle of what you're experiencing.
And it's it's no longer kind of feeling feeling like, you know, you're at a whim to reality where anything happens and you're just blown in the wind where you could start to take charge of your body and your mind and and then you start to to shift the way you're showing up in the world and how you feel about yourself. And then these ideas make a lot more sense because like you start to respect yourself and love yourself and feel more calm and present. And you're like, wow, I can I can bring this into my relationships with my friends or my family.
And people around you will experience this difference. You know, I have not always been as calm and I, I'm not saying I'm a master being calm by any means, and I will say, is that people have noticed the difference in who I've been over the years. Like I have changed drastically in a lot of ways.
Like I can be a lot calmer. I can pay attention. When I was younger, I had major difficulties of paying attention to what anybody was saying. I was biting my nails all the time. I was always had anxiety and it was just felt like I was too much in my own skin just for my own existence. And that's what we plan to do is to help people, to show them that there's different ways to relate to yourself, especially, and to everyone else so that, you know, you can thrive and then everyone else can thrive. because like I said, if we imagine a world where that comes to fruition, we're all treating each other as we love ourselves and we actually love ourselves.
So we're treating people through that lens of actually caring for ourselves, man, the world will be beautiful. We would have, you know, we wouldn't have people sleeping on this cold streets right now when it's freezinging cold outside or children starving to death on the other side of the planet. Like the world would make a lot more sense because it would be like the things that we have would go around a lot more.
I mean, we look at statistics and I mean, I'm kind of diatribe here, but the amount of food America alone throws away every day is just disgusting when we think about the people that they can hardly get a meal today to eat. And there are fancy restaurants that are throwing away like pounds and pounds and pounds of food. We could change that. If we cared for each other as our ourselves, because we'd be like, I couldn't throw this food away. This is disrespecting myself.
Jena: And I'll go even as far as say, as like uniting the states and bringing harmony. So I have a very intuitive embodiment and I have “heaven on earth”, how you want to want to define it as I follow the energy and follow my sac girl, follow my gut, however you want to define that. And I've had experiences where I am taken care of, and this is that lo and behold, heaven is at hand type dynamic that I believe Jesus was speaking about. It's a theory that I'm still continuing to share out. And if you are in my physical world, you will see this happen. It's not like it goes away. Like I can prove this scientifically, I really believe.
And I remember a story where I went and had, I went out to or dinner with some friends, and I took my leftovers and there was this intuitive, almost like a magnet pole to drive on this turn to go by this place and there was a homeless person sitting there and I just had this intuitive pole and then much what I see with like the Bible of Jesus going to the Samaritan, at the well, like there is this energetic grid that I, that's the best word I have for it, that I believe will take care of one another when we're able to get into our bodies and listen to what our bodies want to do compared to the egoic structure of fear-based brain. That's where I'm really seeing this shift in this concept of unite the States., We're uniting the states of our being. And there is a primal threat response. It keeps us in panic and keeps us in fear, and there is the capacity to regulate that fear response into safety and containment and the body and really see this reparenting concept too, is we've been raised by fear, which drives us into these egoic psyche structures that navigate us to be what is really no different than successful capitalism.
And when you unhook from that web of energy that is capitalism and you get to the planet and the Earth, I personally experience a very, very, very different reality that is ordered and gridded and and just a divine order that I walk where I will just by chance be at this place, at this time with this person and the divine order that is all things.
And that's what I see as hopeful for the future, is when we trust those intuitive nudges and those intuitive pulls and we learn to listen to those intuitive polls and expand them, one example that I use often is when I was building this originally, one of my intuitive pulls that I did was a wake up every morning to let my intuition pick my cup for the day. Like that's where I started And now it is like my intuition is a loudspeaker in my body and it took five years for me to get to where I am today to just see how to listen to that still small voice that is me inside of me.
And so I see, as we continue to listen to that, we learn like even today, when we went to the store, I was just convicted over the plastic bags that we use. So it's like when you're able to get out of the primal threat responsees as your brain, “unite the States”, it's being able to be in the body and be like, what is stewardship here?
It would be, I learn to find a way that I remember to take a bag every single time I walk outside the door, almost always have a bag with me. It's my shopping bag and be able to do that. And if I do that and share it with 140,000 people, do you know how many bags and plastic we wouldn't produce because we X factor that?
And that's ultimately what I'm always creating for all of us is that. And also the invitation into this self-mastery. And if when we're all focused on self-mastery, there's no need for someone to stand in the room and dominate and master and guide us.
We are all masters of our own being, and we come together and we share what we're discovering. What I've discovered for myself, too, is this preach to your self concept of how do we create a space where we're “preach to ourselves” and then gleing what we can from the other compared to what I've personally experienced as these dominant forms of, I've arrived. Let me tell you what to do.
Here's my ten steps because I've arrived really removing that dynamic and having it to simply be a space. And that's why the house for me has always had this concept of a circle with space to move freely as it's really for me, it is just an open space where we all come together and glean and have mutual self-respect and learn to embody this that no one's better or different. And the more we judge and shame someone, the further we are from what our intended goal is.
So it's all of us or none of us is what I say so often.
Aaron: Exactly. all of us or none of us.
Jena: So that's why I've been committed to that.
Aaron: It's like, that's what I was going into earlier with my talk about spirituality and religion is like, even all, basically all religions and spirituality, you know, I can think of a quote from Buddha. He said, once you're able to see another as a mother sees her baby, like, that's when you've got it for sure. And it's like, all of these practices say the same thing.
It's like, we're meant to treat people kindly and it's meant to create a beautiful world. Regardless, if you even believe in God, we talk about just as a human level of seeing somebody and treating them kindly. That makes a lot of sense, logically, because it works out for them and it works out for you.
The interaction is smooth and you know, can be what they call flow because there's no friction or resistance in the conversation or whatever is occurring.
And it's important for all of us. Like, we live in a world that is built on, I mean, capitalism itself.
You're capitalizing. What that means is somebody is losing for you to be winning. And I mean, I know that's a stretch a lot of people may challenge me on that, but that's really what capitalism is about.
You're capitalizing on something and that mostly, not right now, it's other people. So it's like we have some lady that works at Dollar General who makes minimum wage while the CEO makes Booku millions and they're barely able to survive while they single-handlely keep that store operating and making money for that corporation. I don't think things like this should exist.
It doesn't make any sense. That CEO could still make a ridiculous profit. and then pay that worker still just a little more to have a livable wage. And these are the things that would change when we start to see people more as ourselves or just like us that have needs, wants, and desires, and we stop seeing them as I can use them to get what I want..
Jena: There's so much in that. And what I'll say often too is we are going to obviously have every topic under the sun available here. There's nothing off the table.
And something you'll always see me do is this concept of talking to all of us and how I'm accounting for everyone in the room. So I have a lot of conversations with a lot of different people and I account for their egoic structures way of being. And I know one for sure is much of the boomer generation.
When you start touching on capitalism, there's this friction that happens in the psyche and the mistranslation that happens and I won't be going on this now. I just want to “put a pin” in it to dig onto the steeper and really dig into it as a resource.
As I see in what I've discovered is this concept between hierarchy, which is what we had for the last 12,000 years and what we are now building, which is networks and heterarchy, which will essentially be growing up inside of capitalism and making what I see capitalism obsolete in time.
We're about 30 years into this way of being, which is in comparison 12,000 years, absolutely nothing. So again, if you're here in the commitment to what we're doing, we are literal pioneers and changing the way the whole world has worked, which has been set motion from someone at top managing and something I get passionate about too, is we can look historically and demonize everyone who's gone before us.
And that's what made sense to them at that point in time. No different than you and I have here today. They did what makes the most sense to them now, and it got us here. The way in which of hierarchy, it was required to manage the masses until now. We have the infrastructure like networks and social media. And we now have a whole network of ways of being with information that was not built before. It had to be someone at the top bringing it down.
And it's what got us here and now we can unhook from that. And an example I like to think of often is the concept of the plane. There was once upon a time networks of the airplanes were not even a concept, and now you really couldn't consider a world without an airport and the flexibility to travel wherever you want.
And so we're just seeing that on an another plane of existence at a different place and a different space and seeing the world change before our eyes and change is constant and always and guaranteed and it also can have a relationship with change that is scary. We don't have that way of understanding what we're doing and creating a safe space. That's why I'm always going to create safety for all of us.
So if you hear the threat of capitalism, I really want to help bolster that up and help people see the full picture and the totality of it, that it's really not going to be scary in my personal opinion. as we really are positioned to build a really beautiful world that we do have the infrastructure of America and capitalism and this world that in many ways does work. Like, yes, there are certain people that are lost to the masses and are our victims to the machine. And also, we do see the infrastructure that we have built has taken care of us for however long, and I don't think we necessarily can demonize what does work and there's ways that we can grow and be better.
It's just these are massive, massive, massive things in this world say often to. What we are experiencing was built on the foundation of whatever the Declaration of Independence, like how we build and how we do anything, like this is why I'm so intense if you're close to me, why I'm so intense and why I get so mistranslated. We're building the foundation of an infrastructure that if the foundation isn't built correctly, it can have devastating impacts in the future.
And once you set systems up as we see the mental health facilities and things like that, these systems are in place and no one can touch a system once it's in place. And so I believe we are really building the new world order and these system systems do require a level of precision that that's what I hold around me. And there's not a laxadaisical, it doesn't matter.
It's, this is life or death in some ways for me, as I want to be approaching every topic that seriously, because I do believe that ramifications can be that can extrapolate to that level if we don't handle them with precision. So I don't know if I get mistranslated or if you're hearing what I'm saying.
Aaron: No.
Jena: We're building the foundation of what works.
Aaron: Yeah.
Jena: And if the foundation isn't built correctly, it can have devastating impacts.
Aaron: Yeah. Well, we just create another organization or system that just ends up in failure, or, I mean, a second, a new new religion.
Jena: Yeah, so that's why, for me, where I come together and I have really, really, really, really intense dogmatic ways of being, A) I was part of religious cult. So I learned a lot there, doesn't work. I'm very committed to certain things and I can be mistranslated in that that. And I'm wanting to build an infrastructure for replacing mental health facilities. I would love a day in a world where we can learn to heal so the government isn't needing to pay for our medication and all that world. Like there's a vision that I have there.
And it's not necessarily for me. It's I just know all of the people in the world that are doing those things already and I want to build a network and a connection system so those things come together and the people who are doing the things that provide the solutions are able to provide those solutions and be leveraged. And so that's more for me in my positioning with the house and what I'm creating is a a hybrid network that has people who have been vetted through what I see when it comes to precision and embodiment so that we're really building something that can last the test of time and not be lacking integrity that could truly harm someone if int integrity and embodiment.
That's the thing I find. People love to talk a big game online and then their actual embodiment can be not even close. So I think that's something I'm very, very passionate about, is ensuring embodiment for those that are part of our system.
Aaron: Yeah, that makes sense because a lot of people, of the internet, you can literally, especially with AI, you can create all kinds of fantastical creations about how enlightening master you are. And then when it comes to actual reality, you know, you're struggling to do your laundry. And like you, you know, I'm a seventh degree black belt ninjitsu master and I can, I'm eating cup of noodles for every meal and can barely get out of bed.
So it's like, uh, you know, it's not to say that those people were even wrong. It's just that we need people that are going to be able to support other people that are, you know, not in the same space. So it's like when you say that you're a master enlightened master and you're flipping everyone off and screaming at traffic every day, it's like, how are you supposed to help anybody else when you can't even you're in the same sp as them?
So that's what she's exactly talking about is finding the people that have actually done the work. You don't have to say that you're enlightened or anything. It's just like you've done the work enough for you're stable, you're calm, you're present.
You're finding joy and pleasure in your own life. You're able to have capacity to hold space, which is a, you know, a hotly debated terms in spiritual spaces. For me, I mean, holding space is just, you're able to remain calm and present when somebody's in front of you telling you maybe a horrific story and you're not going to get activated and make them wrong for their personal lived experience.
Jena: Yes, big facts. And I want to also say there's no shame in the cup of noodle game. There's no shame in those ways of being.
It's those ways of being that then come in the superiority embodiment. That's the distinction that I'm trying to make is what I'm trying to create here is we're all on an even playing field. You have you and you've lived in your life however many hours that you've had, take your date of birth, times it by the days times 24.
Those are how many hours you've had in this body. I have met you and talked to you how many times. There's a good chance we have never even spoke.
And so if we haven't even talked together, how can I show up and tell you what to do? And that's something that I'm very passionate about with the house and having grounded spiritual concepts is that you have hundreds of thousands of people who will say, I'm going to send a seventh dimensional master. I just met you and I know you need to do this.
And that's where I really, really, really want to come through this concept of self- governance and this aspect of guiding someone into their own truth, if you do want to lead them and really this rem removal of codependent superiority teaching and level the playing field, because we are all learning here. Again, 30 years into this new way of being, you're just as much a master at this as I am. We're all equally a master of our own experience, and at the end of the day, we can only master our own experience.
So I've just got me and I'm a full-time job, so I'm not able to manage you. I will tell you what I've learned to manage me, because I am a cup of noodles, barely can function type person. And there is no shame in that.
I find such deep wisdom and value and I find a ton of value in stain in the state because I am learning from the inside out, but works what doesn't deeply understanding my nervous system and surrendering into what I see as this energetic grid of regulation that does require some of a complete surrender to a different way of being that requires a lot of rest and a lot of I was high-performing type A person. So there's a part of me that just kicks in and wants to demand and accomplish. And the new way of being that is flow just cannot dominate in that same way. So there's a program that runs to me that's capitalism. So I'm also working against that to actually land on flow, which can look completely different. It can look actually like failure often.
And how do I be with failure? And how do I be a failure? How I be a failure?
Like the light bulb concept too, like you fail so many times and then we will eventually hit that “light bulb” moment is just rerelating, finding a new way to relate shififting the way we relate. And much of that I believe will continue to dialogue this out. And we're just, as we always do, leap and create and see what gets birthed.
And what I really, really, really, really want to invite you into, like with all seriousness is help us build this. This is a vision for 8 billion people. So if you're listening and you're going to swipe right and go somewhere else, I wish you the best.
I'm grateful we've met. You matter to me and I'm working and living for you. We are working and living for you.
You matter to us that much. You're part of our family. If you're a yes and you want to be a part of this, and it's kind of the concept of the bell curve early adoption, if you're an early adoption, you take technology on first and you want to be at the beginning, there is a seat in the house for you.
Like that is how serious it is. I want this to be a space that no matter who you are, where you are, that all of us take responsibility and self-govern. And as we all self-govern and hold the principles and values of what works for all of us, why would the world not work?
I believe if we just start there, it's infallible in many ways.
Aaron: I mean, think you've hit everything. I have really nothing else to say.
It's a team effort, and we invite anybody that's ready and wanting to, because a lot of people, you'll talk to them and they like, I want to change the world. I want to work together. And then you ask them to let's work together.
And they're like, I'm trying to do this by myself. And it's like, we're not going to change the world by ourselves. It's just not going to happen.
It's going to require all of us to come together and make agreements. I mean, this is something this reality is just one big agreement game. So we all agree right now that the reality works the way it does.
What happens if we all got together and agree to what could work some way different?
Jena: And I want to even like up to anti. My language when I speak can come through, like your second grade teacher with the red pen on your teacher's test, like I can speak in ways that feel like it's correcting and like you're getting everything wrong.
And what I want to say is I'm here for this to be as enjoyable as possible. A quote I'll often say all the time when we unite the States. Four times we have to do something if it's in play. 20 times if it's not in play.
So for me as a baseline, if we are not enjoying ourselves here at the house, it is like call a time out. If we are not in joy and enjoyment, we need to pause and look at what's there, I would personally prescribe my real life whole life format to literally create a quantum shift in the present moment. So you're literally shifting from pain to pleasure in seconds.
And I'll be having resources on this that I'm wanting to create. And as you shift the context from pain to pleasure and you see what we're doing here, this is what I see as what I offer the world. Like this, what I am creating, the context in which we live in is that I'm literally building a context where we all have fun and play.
I want to have a space where if you're a content creator, you come into our space, and you literally have an instantaneous audience who loves you like you're their family. Like you're the biggest family, which I guess is kind of weird because family tends to not like your content. You can't be a prophet in your own town. where it is you can't be a prophet in your own town where there is an infusion of love, joy, delight.
I had such a profound experience when I was flying home after Christmas that just does not leave me. I walked down. I had to walk this really long way to get to the check-in for where I had to check my luggage or whatever and I had my luggage check and this TSA agent had an amount of joy that I have that has never been touched by anyone I ever know, just was infused with so much joy. And I'm like, eight o'clock in the morning going through the airport, I'm not feeling it. And his embodiment of joy like lit me up and I was just like, thank you, like joy literally changes the constitution of another person.
You can literally change someone's life, which if you're struggle busting, it could make you more frustrated. Sometimes joy can be very annoying if you're not in the space to feel joy. And it still does something to everyone at a soul level.
It really is that deep of medicine. And that's what I want to bring in is this joy delight play, have the space of the community. I want to leverage where I have plus whatever we have.
And we create an actual community that when we create content, like we're not just talking to the ethers. We're actually talking to not even just our audience. We're talking to a family of 8 billion people on the same page all want the same thing because whether people are here or they are not.
I like to say, if someone disagrees with me, they disagree with me. Their soul, though, the person that they truly are could never disagree with me because we're all on the same page. So I like to think if someone's mad at me, like their soul is like giving me a high five because that's what is here.
If we're ever upset at each other, it's simply trauma and an egoic structure that doesn't know what to do that's scared. It's a little child that's scared and that's how they've discovered to be empowered. And this is what they do to stay empowered.
And sadly, not sadly, gladly, for most of us, we're re-relating to that power dynamic in a different way altogether. So this empowerment is going to be a completely different way of relating that hasn't ever been mod modeled for us. So we, again, are pioneering learning, creating nothing with nothing, as I like to say often to myself to empower myself.
We're creating nothing with nothing as you show up that becomes something.
So I just really want to invite you to share, what did you like from this? What did you hear?
What tabs did we not close? What do you want more information on? What could be a value?
Like until you speak, we're literally talking into the ethers. So please help bring this to life and bring this to the ground and bring this to form because you may not think you're valuable. And every word you create is literally like, I'm desperate for it.
I don't know how you feel when it comes to them speaking and actually engaging. I feel desperate for it. I don't know if that's healthy.
Aaron:That would create change?
Jena: Like, I just, yeah, I want proof that other people exist out there and feel, resonate and are committed to this, whether that's even engaging with our content or not, just even being on the team, no matter what you do, still creates that context where we can feel like we're on the same team, even if you're not showing up in the space with us on a daily basis.
So we're on your team.
We want to know if you're on our team. below if you're on our team, and please dump whatever buckets you want to share into the comments or to me directly.
Bonus points if you let me know you listen to this.
Aaron: Yep, I have a great evening and great life and let's create a new world.
Piece of peace. And we will be back probably next week, kind of feeling into one a week episode and we'll continue to share more as it happens.
Peace, peace, peace.
